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	<title>Comments on: Yes: Ohio Bars Defendants from Challenging Breathalyzers</title>
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		<title>By: WilliamMaze</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/12/04/yes-ohio-bars-defendants-from-challenging-breathalyzers/comment-page-1/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>WilliamMaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regret to inform you that the person who wrote to you indicating that the Ohio case of State v Vega had never been cited by another court in over 25 years was mistaken.  

Following an evidentiary hearing that lasted months in the State of Michigan, the trial court ruled that the BAC Datamaster failed to satisfy criteria under Daubert.  As a result, the judge suppressed the test.  The Michigan Court of Appeals reversed that decision in People v. Timothy Bain, 2007 Mich. App. LEXIS 1647  (2007), citing Vega as if it were black letter law.   The Michigan Court of Appeals further held that, &quot;the Legislature, through the authority granted to the Department of State Police to promulgate administrative rules governing the selection of breath-alcohol testing instruments and their use, has made a legislative determination that testing under the DataMaster is generally reliable and admissible.&quot;

Well, the state police didnâ€™t actually determine that the Datamaster was generally reliable or admissible.  Actually, the state police adopted every approved breath test instrument under the &quot;Model  Specifications  for  Evidential Breath Testing Devices.â€  None of Michiganâ€™s statutes or administrative rules ever mention the word, â€œDatamaster.â€  So, whether it was the state police or the Legislature, Michigan adopted virtually every breath instrument ever on the market dating back to the early 1960s.  And theyâ€™re all great little gizmos that I supposed weâ€™ve determined are â€œgenerally reliable and admissible.â€

-- William Maze</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regret to inform you that the person who wrote to you indicating that the Ohio case of State v Vega had never been cited by another court in over 25 years was mistaken.  </p>
<p>Following an evidentiary hearing that lasted months in the State of Michigan, the trial court ruled that the BAC Datamaster failed to satisfy criteria under Daubert.  As a result, the judge suppressed the test.  The Michigan Court of Appeals reversed that decision in People v. Timothy Bain, 2007 Mich. App. LEXIS 1647  (2007), citing Vega as if it were black letter law.   The Michigan Court of Appeals further held that, &#8220;the Legislature, through the authority granted to the Department of State Police to promulgate administrative rules governing the selection of breath-alcohol testing instruments and their use, has made a legislative determination that testing under the DataMaster is generally reliable and admissible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, the state police didnâ€™t actually determine that the Datamaster was generally reliable or admissible.  Actually, the state police adopted every approved breath test instrument under the &#8220;Model  Specifications  for  Evidential Breath Testing Devices.â€  None of Michiganâ€™s statutes or administrative rules ever mention the word, â€œDatamaster.â€  So, whether it was the state police or the Legislature, Michigan adopted virtually every breath instrument ever on the market dating back to the early 1960s.  And theyâ€™re all great little gizmos that I supposed weâ€™ve determined are â€œgenerally reliable and admissible.â€</p>
<p>&#8211; William Maze</p>
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		<title>By: OVI Defense: Ohio&#8217;s Infallible Breath Test Evidence &#124; www.myohiodefenselawyer.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>OVI Defense: Ohio&#8217;s Infallible Breath Test Evidence &#124; www.myohiodefenselawyer.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drunk driving defense guru Lawrence Taylor weighs in on the Kafkaesque absurdity of Ohio&#8217;s breathalyzer laws in OVI cases. It is true that a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] drunk driving defense guru Lawrence Taylor weighs in on the Kafkaesque absurdity of Ohio&#8217;s breathalyzer laws in OVI cases. It is true that a [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: darms</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/12/04/yes-ohio-bars-defendants-from-challenging-breathalyzers/comment-page-1/#comment-2023</link>
		<dc:creator>darms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seen this about U.S. Rep. Vito Fossella? 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/08/AR2008120803371.html

Why I passed this along is that his first BA test showed 0.13 while his second, three hours later, showed 0.17. Huh? (long-time lurker, first-time commenter)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen this about U.S. Rep. Vito Fossella? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/08/AR2008120803371.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/08/AR2008120803371.html</a></p>
<p>Why I passed this along is that his first BA test showed 0.13 while his second, three hours later, showed 0.17. Huh? (long-time lurker, first-time commenter)</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy4</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think people are missing the point, or have no clue, no defense attorneys, not anyone..... these instruments, especially the alcotest, can be made to conform with basic fundamental analytical requirements, that if followed to the letter, and within tolerance, would make the result correct. the fact that a state like ohio would not have these in place that would make the bac right in legal terms, as right as result for a prednisone tablet being tested is wrong. ... it is not like they cant shgow the result is right, .. they just refuse to do it themselves, yet the state, through the fda forces all dsrug companies to do it, to showe the work, if you will, the calculation, ..... to show the signal response for standards and samples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think people are missing the point, or have no clue, no defense attorneys, not anyone&#8230;.. these instruments, especially the alcotest, can be made to conform with basic fundamental analytical requirements, that if followed to the letter, and within tolerance, would make the result correct. the fact that a state like ohio would not have these in place that would make the bac right in legal terms, as right as result for a prednisone tablet being tested is wrong. &#8230; it is not like they cant shgow the result is right, .. they just refuse to do it themselves, yet the state, through the fda forces all dsrug companies to do it, to showe the work, if you will, the calculation, &#8230;.. to show the signal response for standards and samples.</p>
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