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		<title>By: David W</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/07/21/cops-using-impounded-cars-as-personal-rental-fleet/comment-page-1/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found the story. It was under &quot;arrest victim&#039;s stories&quot; on the RIDL site.

Lost respect for authority 
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I was pulled over by state troopers and blew a .17. Although I knew I could fight it and win on a technicality, I realized how stupid I had been to drive, so I didn&#039;t get a lawyer and plead guilty. I knew the standard punishment and thought &quot;If you can&#039;t do the time...&quot; was a good rule. However, instead of getting the minimum sentence (3 year suspension, $3,000 in fines, 3 month &quot;School-10,&quot; MADD panel, 10 AA meetings), the judge decided to double the fines, upgrade to the 9 month &quot;School-10&quot; (which includes an AA meeting a week), plus 60 AA meetings in 90 days--then he added underage drinker penalties (2 meetings with teenagers who felt they&#039;d been unjustly accused, a trip to the coroner to witness an autopsy, and a 1,000 word essay); BTW, I was 23! I feel that the judge used my personal code of honor as an excuse to double the state&#039;s income and make me an example. I could have been a weasel, got a lawyer and got off clean, but instead I tried to be responsible and got screwed... There&#039;s something wrong with that system!</description>
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<p>Lost respect for authority<br />
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<p>I was pulled over by state troopers and blew a .17. Although I knew I could fight it and win on a technicality, I realized how stupid I had been to drive, so I didn&#8217;t get a lawyer and plead guilty. I knew the standard punishment and thought &#8220;If you can&#8217;t do the time&#8230;&#8221; was a good rule. However, instead of getting the minimum sentence (3 year suspension, $3,000 in fines, 3 month &#8220;School-10,&#8221; MADD panel, 10 AA meetings), the judge decided to double the fines, upgrade to the 9 month &#8220;School-10&#8243; (which includes an AA meeting a week), plus 60 AA meetings in 90 days&#8211;then he added underage drinker penalties (2 meetings with teenagers who felt they&#8217;d been unjustly accused, a trip to the coroner to witness an autopsy, and a 1,000 word essay); BTW, I was 23! I feel that the judge used my personal code of honor as an excuse to double the state&#8217;s income and make me an example. I could have been a weasel, got a lawyer and got off clean, but instead I tried to be responsible and got screwed&#8230; There&#8217;s something wrong with that system!</p>
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		<title>By: RichardAlan</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/07/21/cops-using-impounded-cars-as-personal-rental-fleet/comment-page-1/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardAlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read this link, this is from www.getmadd.com
a former DUI prosecutor, who says he was embarrassed to be involved with convicting honest hard working American citizen for these bogus allegations.

http://www.getmadd.com/theNONcrimeofdrunkdriving.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read this link, this is from <a href="http://www.getmadd.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.getmadd.com</a><br />
a former DUI prosecutor, who says he was embarrassed to be involved with convicting honest hard working American citizen for these bogus allegations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.getmadd.com/theNONcrimeofdrunkdriving.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.getmadd.com/theNONcrimeofdrunkdriving.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: RichardAlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardAlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see it, sounds like a good read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see it, sounds like a good read.</p>
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		<title>By: Police Driving Impounded Cars - DUI Attorneys &#124; Drunk Driving DUI Law Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/07/21/cops-using-impounded-cars-as-personal-rental-fleet/comment-page-1/#comment-1393</link>
		<dc:creator>Police Driving Impounded Cars - DUI Attorneys &#124; Drunk Driving DUI Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] October, she bought a 1999 Dodge Dakota for $850, even though the vehicle was worth at least $5025. Source I guess all of you who have your car impounded for periods of time you now know what&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] October, she bought a 1999 Dodge Dakota for $850, even though the vehicle was worth at least $5025. Source I guess all of you who have your car impounded for periods of time you now know what&#8217;s [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/07/21/cops-using-impounded-cars-as-personal-rental-fleet/comment-page-1/#comment-1391</link>
		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an article over on the RIDL site awhile back about a fellow that did just that. He placed himself at the mercy of the court and got a rude awakening. If I happen to find it I&#039;ll link it.

At the end he basically stated that doing that was probably one of the biggest mistakes he ever made in his life. They hammered the hell out of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an article over on the RIDL site awhile back about a fellow that did just that. He placed himself at the mercy of the court and got a rude awakening. If I happen to find it I&#8217;ll link it.</p>
<p>At the end he basically stated that doing that was probably one of the biggest mistakes he ever made in his life. They hammered the hell out of him.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardAlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardAlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F.Lee Bailey refused on every DUI he got. 
And the laws regarding drivers licenses&#039; were 
soon changed as to keep the people from catching on to their &quot;right to refuse&quot; (invoke your 4th and 5th)  God forbid if we the people have any rights in the United States of America.

You&#039;re correct David, it&#039;s the Government exacting it&#039;s own revenge for using your Constitutional rights. The DMV has a strict set of procedures that they are supposed to follow, it&#039;s in black in white. 

It&#039;s the uneducated hearing officer who lacks a law degree, or the employee with a GED that tells you or decides your fate, and to top it off they change the rules or make them up as they go along, deviating from their own set of procedures. Human error or suffering from the &quot;human condition&quot; is what I like to call it. 

I have a document with my so called &#039;disqualification&#039; from my class A license.

It&#039;s very clear and states that on April 3, of 2009 I will have to pay a small fee and my license will be reinstated on this date at this time. it&#039;s in black and white. 

The Constitution actually does work, most people or sheeple believe it does not work, and it&#039;s best to &quot;be honest&#039; and tell on yourself to the police.

I&#039;m in less trouble right now for invoking my Constitutional rights, then if I had told on my self, admitted false guilt because I was simply charged with something, and threw myself on the mercy of the court.

I would guess that 6 out 10 sheeple do this in regards to an alleged DUI. 

The state can charge a private citizen with anything!  the state can also indict and convict a ham sandwich. ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F.Lee Bailey refused on every DUI he got.<br />
And the laws regarding drivers licenses&#8217; were<br />
soon changed as to keep the people from catching on to their &#8220;right to refuse&#8221; (invoke your 4th and 5th)  God forbid if we the people have any rights in the United States of America.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct David, it&#8217;s the Government exacting it&#8217;s own revenge for using your Constitutional rights. The DMV has a strict set of procedures that they are supposed to follow, it&#8217;s in black in white. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the uneducated hearing officer who lacks a law degree, or the employee with a GED that tells you or decides your fate, and to top it off they change the rules or make them up as they go along, deviating from their own set of procedures. Human error or suffering from the &#8220;human condition&#8221; is what I like to call it. </p>
<p>I have a document with my so called &#8216;disqualification&#8217; from my class A license.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very clear and states that on April 3, of 2009 I will have to pay a small fee and my license will be reinstated on this date at this time. it&#8217;s in black and white. </p>
<p>The Constitution actually does work, most people or sheeple believe it does not work, and it&#8217;s best to &#8220;be honest&#8217; and tell on yourself to the police.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in less trouble right now for invoking my Constitutional rights, then if I had told on my self, admitted false guilt because I was simply charged with something, and threw myself on the mercy of the court.</p>
<p>I would guess that 6 out 10 sheeple do this in regards to an alleged DUI. </p>
<p>The state can charge a private citizen with anything!  the state can also indict and convict a ham sandwich. &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how you say you don&#039;t mind your temporary loss of license. After my initial frustration passed as to how I was &quot;fooled&quot;, I actually didn&#039;t mind it either. Actually it was a pleasure to have someone else drive for awhile. And I did save a lot expense wise concerning fuel. I readjusted my life and actually streamlined a few things. So something positive came out of the experience. What really pissed me off though was the structure of the implied consent warning. The nonsense that followed me exercising my rights was not included in the warning. The screenings, assessments, costs. That was dirty pool. 

You have the right to remain silent, but if you do so, we get to do as we please , and the courts have ruled that we are not required to tell you what those penalties (and they are penalties) are going to be.

That is not the American way I was under the understanding we had when I grew up. 

And people wonder why we have problems??? The writing is all over the wall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how you say you don&#8217;t mind your temporary loss of license. After my initial frustration passed as to how I was &#8220;fooled&#8221;, I actually didn&#8217;t mind it either. Actually it was a pleasure to have someone else drive for awhile. And I did save a lot expense wise concerning fuel. I readjusted my life and actually streamlined a few things. So something positive came out of the experience. What really pissed me off though was the structure of the implied consent warning. The nonsense that followed me exercising my rights was not included in the warning. The screenings, assessments, costs. That was dirty pool. </p>
<p>You have the right to remain silent, but if you do so, we get to do as we please , and the courts have ruled that we are not required to tell you what those penalties (and they are penalties) are going to be.</p>
<p>That is not the American way I was under the understanding we had when I grew up. </p>
<p>And people wonder why we have problems??? The writing is all over the wall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RichardAlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardAlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attorney F. Lee Bailey comes to mind. He had several DUI&#039;s in the late 70&#039;s early 80&#039;s. 

I believe it was because of him that the State and all 50 states Amended the 14th Amendment in violation of it&#039;s own self ironically, with the &quot;implied consent&quot; law.

Considering that once a drivers license is issued it&#039;s &quot;your property&quot; . Now based on a police officer observation your 14th Amendment rights are now violated because the state&#039;s lawmakers are very clever in how they write and use words to get their way and &quot;have it both ways&quot; a double edged sword so to speak. 

The state gets is both ways, the private citizen only gets it one way, and is for some reason supposed to tell on himself when he gets stopped on a highway. ???

It&#039;s fear tactics; example: &quot;boo&quot;  we are the DMV, the policeman said you smelled like alcohol were gonna take your license away for one year if you invoke your Amendment rights (I mean refuse to give us evidence) 

This is the oldest trick in the book, and the state  is getting away with it, absent court convictions, and due process.

Only problem is, some of us private citizen are hip to the shenanigans of the law and the state.

I enjoy not having to drive right now. I don&#039;t have to worry about pay for outrageous gas , I don&#039;t have to be stressed about other drivers and their stupid driving habits, I&#039;m on vacation for one year, I get to make signs and hang out at freeway exist get free money and tell my true story.

Life is good. 

I&#039;m a proud Patriotic American upholding our US Constitution... Show me the money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attorney F. Lee Bailey comes to mind. He had several DUI&#8217;s in the late 70&#8217;s early 80&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I believe it was because of him that the State and all 50 states Amended the 14th Amendment in violation of it&#8217;s own self ironically, with the &#8220;implied consent&#8221; law.</p>
<p>Considering that once a drivers license is issued it&#8217;s &#8220;your property&#8221; . Now based on a police officer observation your 14th Amendment rights are now violated because the state&#8217;s lawmakers are very clever in how they write and use words to get their way and &#8220;have it both ways&#8221; a double edged sword so to speak. </p>
<p>The state gets is both ways, the private citizen only gets it one way, and is for some reason supposed to tell on himself when he gets stopped on a highway. ???</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fear tactics; example: &#8220;boo&#8221;  we are the DMV, the policeman said you smelled like alcohol were gonna take your license away for one year if you invoke your Amendment rights (I mean refuse to give us evidence) </p>
<p>This is the oldest trick in the book, and the state  is getting away with it, absent court convictions, and due process.</p>
<p>Only problem is, some of us private citizen are hip to the shenanigans of the law and the state.</p>
<p>I enjoy not having to drive right now. I don&#8217;t have to worry about pay for outrageous gas , I don&#8217;t have to be stressed about other drivers and their stupid driving habits, I&#8217;m on vacation for one year, I get to make signs and hang out at freeway exist get free money and tell my true story.</p>
<p>Life is good. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a proud Patriotic American upholding our US Constitution&#8230; Show me the money!</p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You certainly are correct there Richard. When one reads the history on &quot;implied consent&quot;, one can see how legal &quot;loopholes&quot; were used to circumvent the right to free and un-interupted travel. It originally was a right with exception to commerce orientated travel(ie: taking goods to market for a transportation fee,etc).

One would think the original arguements over this would not have held water(common sense wise), but there is no more common sense. Bad laws, bad rulings and those who took that &quot;right&quot; away hiding behind what they convinced the courts to do. The famous statement &quot;the law says&quot;.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You certainly are correct there Richard. When one reads the history on &#8220;implied consent&#8221;, one can see how legal &#8220;loopholes&#8221; were used to circumvent the right to free and un-interupted travel. It originally was a right with exception to commerce orientated travel(ie: taking goods to market for a transportation fee,etc).</p>
<p>One would think the original arguements over this would not have held water(common sense wise), but there is no more common sense. Bad laws, bad rulings and those who took that &#8220;right&#8221; away hiding behind what they convinced the courts to do. The famous statement &#8220;the law says&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RichardAlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardAlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David you are correct,

But very interesting how the Government has trained all of us to believe that line of thinking. Like &quot;Sheeple&quot; we think we have to offer &quot;evidence&quot; from the very moment we are stopped. 

Now remember the Miranda rights &quot; anything you say, can and will be used against you&quot; 

This is the first thing that came to my mind when I was stopped. I invoked my 4th and 5th Amendment rights.  My case was dismissed.  The DMV tried to bribe/blackmail me with an already violated 14th Amendment, using the tricky little word &quot;implied consent&quot; the as if those two words were supposed to magically change anything?

It&#039;s laughable to think that two words in the english language used by the DMV is somehow gonna make a person tell on themselves, i.e. offer evidence to a public servant as a private citizen makes absolutely no sense at all.

If we can train all the sheeple to not fall for this monkey business by the State we the people can take back our eroding Constitution. 

In my alleged DUI case the judge smile at me and the very pretty female prosecutor  winked and smiled at me.

don&#039;t you think that the judge&#039;s and the prosecutors are tired of watching good honest citizens admit to guilt when they&#039;re not guilty, They&#039;re tired of watching the Constitution erode, they&#039;re tired of watching people &quot;tell on themselves&#039;, It makes everyone in this country very happy when someone stand up for their rights and the US Constitution even in a DUI case.

This what we need to report, about the people who invoke the Amendment rights, the people who &#039;Refuse&quot; to play a part in the erosion of the their right and the US Constitution.

Next time any of you get stopped &quot;don&#039;t tell on yourselves&quot; remain silent offer no evidence from the very beginning of the stop, ask for a lawyer and a copy of the video. Invoke all your rights and demand 
a jury trial. 

You will be very surprised our US Constitution Guarantees it . 

See &quot;No Reasonable Cause&quot; The Movie
Everyone needs to sit down and take notes DUI class 101.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David you are correct,</p>
<p>But very interesting how the Government has trained all of us to believe that line of thinking. Like &#8220;Sheeple&#8221; we think we have to offer &#8220;evidence&#8221; from the very moment we are stopped. </p>
<p>Now remember the Miranda rights &#8221; anything you say, can and will be used against you&#8221; </p>
<p>This is the first thing that came to my mind when I was stopped. I invoked my 4th and 5th Amendment rights.  My case was dismissed.  The DMV tried to bribe/blackmail me with an already violated 14th Amendment, using the tricky little word &#8220;implied consent&#8221; the as if those two words were supposed to magically change anything?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s laughable to think that two words in the english language used by the DMV is somehow gonna make a person tell on themselves, i.e. offer evidence to a public servant as a private citizen makes absolutely no sense at all.</p>
<p>If we can train all the sheeple to not fall for this monkey business by the State we the people can take back our eroding Constitution. </p>
<p>In my alleged DUI case the judge smile at me and the very pretty female prosecutor  winked and smiled at me.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t you think that the judge&#8217;s and the prosecutors are tired of watching good honest citizens admit to guilt when they&#8217;re not guilty, They&#8217;re tired of watching the Constitution erode, they&#8217;re tired of watching people &#8220;tell on themselves&#8217;, It makes everyone in this country very happy when someone stand up for their rights and the US Constitution even in a DUI case.</p>
<p>This what we need to report, about the people who invoke the Amendment rights, the people who &#8216;Refuse&#8221; to play a part in the erosion of the their right and the US Constitution.</p>
<p>Next time any of you get stopped &#8220;don&#8217;t tell on yourselves&#8221; remain silent offer no evidence from the very beginning of the stop, ask for a lawyer and a copy of the video. Invoke all your rights and demand<br />
a jury trial. </p>
<p>You will be very surprised our US Constitution Guarantees it . </p>
<p>See &#8220;No Reasonable Cause&#8221; The Movie<br />
Everyone needs to sit down and take notes DUI class 101.</p>
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