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	<title>Comments on: The Hidden Danger of &#8220;One for the Road&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Bad Drunk Driving Laws, False Evidence and a Fading Constitution</description>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1204</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nj does not allow plea bargains on dui, nj does not allow expungment of dui.

what now?</description>
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<p>what now?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1154</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it --- most .08 cases tended to get pleaded down to reckless, inattentive, withheld judgment, or nolle prosecution.

The inherent error in most machines are at least .01 and even the &quot;expert&quot; on the side of the police will admit this in front of a judge.

.089 and below could be .079 and that is reasonable doubt.  If they can get you convicted on a lesser charge that pays a fine ranging from 300-2500 dollars and make you renew your license which might costs another 100-250 and get you on a high priced insurance for 2-10 years which will cost you 300-1300 annually.  Why not take your money?  Not to mention if you want to get a &quot;good&quot; &quot;non government&quot; job (since you&#039;ll probably get a misdemeanor and that means no chance at being an agent of the gov. if you plead) you&#039;ll have to get an expunging done to your record.  Cha-ching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it &#8212; most .08 cases tended to get pleaded down to reckless, inattentive, withheld judgment, or nolle prosecution.</p>
<p>The inherent error in most machines are at least .01 and even the &#8220;expert&#8221; on the side of the police will admit this in front of a judge.</p>
<p>.089 and below could be .079 and that is reasonable doubt.  If they can get you convicted on a lesser charge that pays a fine ranging from 300-2500 dollars and make you renew your license which might costs another 100-250 and get you on a high priced insurance for 2-10 years which will cost you 300-1300 annually.  Why not take your money?  Not to mention if you want to get a &#8220;good&#8221; &#8220;non government&#8221; job (since you&#8217;ll probably get a misdemeanor and that means no chance at being an agent of the gov. if you plead) you&#8217;ll have to get an expunging done to your record.  Cha-ching.</p>
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		<title>By: koivisto</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>koivisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they did that then they wouldn&#039;t have the money coming in. Please realize how many people get fines even if they weren&#039;t DUI. If they fixed it they would not have the cash flow. Besides DUI arrests are good for the officers career, not the conviction rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they did that then they wouldn&#8217;t have the money coming in. Please realize how many people get fines even if they weren&#8217;t DUI. If they fixed it they would not have the cash flow. Besides DUI arrests are good for the officers career, not the conviction rate.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what i dont get is why not just make a law that fixes the problems, convicts the guilty, and aquits the innocent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i dont get is why not just make a law that fixes the problems, convicts the guilty, and aquits the innocent?</p>
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		<title>By: koivisto</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>koivisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using an arbitrary number is great for the police, but doesn&#039;t take into consideration the actual condition of the driver. I understand you have to have a criteria to go by, but again, guilty until proven innocent is insane. The only people who are crying foul are in such a minority that their voices will not be heard. I&#039;m afraid that the laws will only get worse and there is nothing that can be done. After my foray into the justice system, I now have my wife drive me if I even have one drink because I fear what may happen. Welcome to amerika. In the meantime, drugs are spilling over the borders, as well as illegal immigrants. The dollar is dropping, were conducting an illegal war, and people are starving around the world. Lets go fight the evil drunk drivers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using an arbitrary number is great for the police, but doesn&#8217;t take into consideration the actual condition of the driver. I understand you have to have a criteria to go by, but again, guilty until proven innocent is insane. The only people who are crying foul are in such a minority that their voices will not be heard. I&#8217;m afraid that the laws will only get worse and there is nothing that can be done. After my foray into the justice system, I now have my wife drive me if I even have one drink because I fear what may happen. Welcome to amerika. In the meantime, drugs are spilling over the borders, as well as illegal immigrants. The dollar is dropping, were conducting an illegal war, and people are starving around the world. Lets go fight the evil drunk drivers!</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let me put it another way, if i had 2 or 3 drinks at a bar for luinch, was pulled over 5 minutes later, was given a breath terst that said 0,08% bac, how the hell can i know or anyone actualkly know if my blood alcohol content, as per the statute requirement, was at 0.08% bac.


as a defendant i must plead not guilty, because how would i know for sure if i was guilty or not?

i couldnt possibly, and neither could anyone else.

just a hypothetical.

the circumstances of my case do not reflect this hypothetical situation , but for the fact i blew a 0,08 bac on a breath test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let me put it another way, if i had 2 or 3 drinks at a bar for luinch, was pulled over 5 minutes later, was given a breath terst that said 0,08% bac, how the hell can i know or anyone actualkly know if my blood alcohol content, as per the statute requirement, was at 0.08% bac.</p>
<p>as a defendant i must plead not guilty, because how would i know for sure if i was guilty or not?</p>
<p>i couldnt possibly, and neither could anyone else.</p>
<p>just a hypothetical.</p>
<p>the circumstances of my case do not reflect this hypothetical situation , but for the fact i blew a 0,08 bac on a breath test.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now there is still grey area in this as well, political grey area.
if someone is afraid of neddles, they should have the choice for a breath test, but the first course of action  would be a blood test.

2nd, any refusal for testing at all, would be grounds for the refusal summons, which is just like a dui in penalty, very similair.

3rd- under this new way of doing thing i propose, police officers would have to use their heads as to whether or not they want to make a dui arrest , and get a blood tst, on boarderline cases.

the fact is, using breath testing opens the door for the kind of hall way trials, that are sometimes prolonged, that never benefit the defendant if prolonged.

justice is not something that should be pulled out of thin air.

read my post above as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now there is still grey area in this as well, political grey area.<br />
if someone is afraid of neddles, they should have the choice for a breath test, but the first course of action  would be a blood test.</p>
<p>2nd, any refusal for testing at all, would be grounds for the refusal summons, which is just like a dui in penalty, very similair.</p>
<p>3rd- under this new way of doing thing i propose, police officers would have to use their heads as to whether or not they want to make a dui arrest , and get a blood tst, on boarderline cases.</p>
<p>the fact is, using breath testing opens the door for the kind of hall way trials, that are sometimes prolonged, that never benefit the defendant if prolonged.</p>
<p>justice is not something that should be pulled out of thin air.</p>
<p>read my post above as well.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1123</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe- the law for dui in nj says a person with a blood alcohol concentration by weight is 0.08% or greater, he is dui. thats the &quot;rule&quot;.
it says nothing of breath testing to estimate it.

every dui case should have blood taken, taken by a validatred method by validated personel, tested with a vaildated method, on a validated gas chromatoraph, with split samples being taken in a validated way, sealed with no head space, and sent to a 2nd certified lab for validated testing.
eliminate all observation convictions, make every case a win or lose or the per se violation.

lawyers under this system would be allowed to audit labs, and have all validation documentation.

the defenses are many to any analytical result, believe me, ive been an analytical chemist for 20 years in several areas.

however, everything right, there should be no problem in the result. 

guilty or not guilty, would be clear.

now, a result like this, all comes down to error. error can be found in many forms, but at least it would not be an estimate of bac using breath, it would very pretty much a right on number, given everything was done right.

usually, an internal standard would be used in the methods, isopropyl alcohol, because gc is tricky that way with responses. especially for forms of alcohol.

the result would encompass the actual chromatograms of stands and sample injections, the signal counts from each, the standard/internal standard ratios, the sample/internal standard ratios, and the final result.

everything would be there for review, including maintanance logs for the gc, validation of the method and instrument, operator certification, trhe whole bit.

and thae law, and judges, just as the fda would, should say that the rewsult is invalid, if any one thing was done wrong.

i am talking about striving for and achiewving perfection</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe- the law for dui in nj says a person with a blood alcohol concentration by weight is 0.08% or greater, he is dui. thats the &#8220;rule&#8221;.<br />
it says nothing of breath testing to estimate it.</p>
<p>every dui case should have blood taken, taken by a validatred method by validated personel, tested with a vaildated method, on a validated gas chromatoraph, with split samples being taken in a validated way, sealed with no head space, and sent to a 2nd certified lab for validated testing.<br />
eliminate all observation convictions, make every case a win or lose or the per se violation.</p>
<p>lawyers under this system would be allowed to audit labs, and have all validation documentation.</p>
<p>the defenses are many to any analytical result, believe me, ive been an analytical chemist for 20 years in several areas.</p>
<p>however, everything right, there should be no problem in the result. </p>
<p>guilty or not guilty, would be clear.</p>
<p>now, a result like this, all comes down to error. error can be found in many forms, but at least it would not be an estimate of bac using breath, it would very pretty much a right on number, given everything was done right.</p>
<p>usually, an internal standard would be used in the methods, isopropyl alcohol, because gc is tricky that way with responses. especially for forms of alcohol.</p>
<p>the result would encompass the actual chromatograms of stands and sample injections, the signal counts from each, the standard/internal standard ratios, the sample/internal standard ratios, and the final result.</p>
<p>everything would be there for review, including maintanance logs for the gc, validation of the method and instrument, operator certification, trhe whole bit.</p>
<p>and thae law, and judges, just as the fda would, should say that the rewsult is invalid, if any one thing was done wrong.</p>
<p>i am talking about striving for and achiewving perfection</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/08/the-hidden-danger-of-one-for-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOE-- I SEE IT AS OPPOSITE AS THAT.  THE RULES ARE NOT RIGID AT ALL, THE RULES ARE BASICALLY MEANINGLESS WHEN IT COMES TO DUI, OR REALLY ANY MUNICIPAL COURT MATTER, EVEN INTO CRIMINAL MATTERS.

THE RULES ARENT FOLLOWED, JUDGES AND PROSECUTORS ARE NOT STRIVING FOR PERFECTION. 
THE RULES GET THROWN OUT, AND THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THIS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOE&#8211; I SEE IT AS OPPOSITE AS THAT.  THE RULES ARE NOT RIGID AT ALL, THE RULES ARE BASICALLY MEANINGLESS WHEN IT COMES TO DUI, OR REALLY ANY MUNICIPAL COURT MATTER, EVEN INTO CRIMINAL MATTERS.</p>
<p>THE RULES ARENT FOLLOWED, JUDGES AND PROSECUTORS ARE NOT STRIVING FOR PERFECTION.<br />
THE RULES GET THROWN OUT, AND THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THIS.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rigid rules put in place are so silly, they make it easy for the police and courts to bring about arrests and convictions (thus making them look good publicly) but do little to serve justice or to give proper guidelines.  How are people supposed to know what they can and cannot drunk at a restaurant with dinner, it&#039;s as if the law wants them to carry calculators to determine their body weight index with ever sip of wine they take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rigid rules put in place are so silly, they make it easy for the police and courts to bring about arrests and convictions (thus making them look good publicly) but do little to serve justice or to give proper guidelines.  How are people supposed to know what they can and cannot drunk at a restaurant with dinner, it&#8217;s as if the law wants them to carry calculators to determine their body weight index with ever sip of wine they take.</p>
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