Comments on: The Thin Blue Line Exception http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/ Bad Drunk Driving Laws, False Evidence and a Fading Constitution Wed, 22 May 2013 01:11:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: jim http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-684 jim Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:13:11 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-684 i have been writing arguments on the following website since july 07, about 700 posts, ranging from general dui, to the alcotest, to specific validation requirements. check it out http://www.sailelaw.com/blog/?cat=8 i have been writing arguments on the following website since july 07, about 700 posts, ranging from general dui, to the alcotest, to specific validation requirements.

check it out

http://www.sailelaw.com/blog/?cat=8

]]> By: standup http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-682 standup Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:49:08 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-682 It's a shame that the RIDL site is down right now Jim. There are some pretty sharp people over on their forums my friend. In the meantime perhaps, you could have one of your "friends" contact MADD of N.J. This concerned citizen could tell MADD about an agent of Satan ( Someone who drinks ) That has not been brought to trial yet (Wink-Wink) Let them do your dirty work. It’s a shame that the RIDL site is down right now Jim. There are some pretty sharp people over on their forums my friend. In the meantime perhaps, you could have one of your “friends” contact MADD of N.J.
This concerned citizen could tell MADD about an agent of Satan ( Someone who drinks ) That has not been brought to trial yet (Wink-Wink)
Let them do your dirty work.

]]> By: standup http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-678 standup Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:44:35 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-678 I'd get a different lawyer Jim ... ( He's dead Jim, you get his tri-corder, I'll get his wallet ) I’d get a different lawyer Jim …

( He’s dead Jim, you get his tri-corder, I’ll get his wallet )

]]> By: jim http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-677 jim Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:38:50 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-677 how does madd get money from dui? i think in this case, the fact is, any good attorney would have gotten the case dismissed or at least reduced to reckless, with the breath or blood test being thrown out on merit, wheather it was a police officer or anyone else. once the bac is thrown out of a dui case, it doesnt matter who the defendant is, ... any good attorney can win the case i think,.... and maybe not on justice, but on the shere facts courts cant spend time having trials anymore, its just that simple.' i have been waiting 30 months for a simple dui trial here in nj, 13 appearances, a nj supreme court order ordering thje case to proceed to trial in jan of 2006, and still, the state refuses to trial me, and the judge keeps ordering me into court to have a trial. there is something wrong here. isnt it plain to see? how does madd get money from dui?

i think in this case, the fact is, any good attorney would have gotten the case dismissed or at least reduced to reckless, with the breath or blood test being thrown out on merit, wheather it was a police officer or anyone else.

once the bac is thrown out of a dui case, it doesnt matter who the defendant is, … any good attorney can win the case i think,…. and maybe not on justice, but on the shere facts courts cant spend time having trials anymore, its just that simple.’

i have been waiting 30 months for a simple dui trial here in nj, 13 appearances, a nj supreme court order ordering thje case to proceed to trial in jan of 2006, and still, the state refuses to trial me, and the judge keeps ordering me into court to have a trial.
there is something wrong here.

isnt it plain to see?

]]> By: standup http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-675 standup Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:20:21 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-675 We sure don't want a police officer to have to learn first hand how crazy these DUI laws have become, now do we ? Because the next time he or one of his friends has a borderline DUI case,they'll probably cut them a break instead of arresting them. Fewer DUI arrests equals less money for MADD, so simple, even a caveman can figure it out. We sure don’t want a police officer to have to learn first hand how crazy these DUI laws have become, now do we ?
Because the next time he or one of his friends has a borderline DUI case,they’ll probably cut them a break instead of arresting them. Fewer DUI arrests equals less money for MADD, so simple, even a caveman can figure it out.

]]> By: Nelson Donnell http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-673 Nelson Donnell Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:29:38 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-673 It would appear that some people become incensed when a lawyer points out the double standards that are applied when the "government system" passes judgment on one of their own. Do people actually think this judge would have ruled in favor of this person if he wasn't a 15 year member of the Northborough Police? I kind of doubt that this judge would have ruled this way if this defendant was just an average Joe out there on the streets. Police organizations have a lot of political pull and they know where various "skeletons" are buried in their respective jurisdictions. It would appear that some people become incensed when a lawyer points out the double standards that are applied when the “government system” passes judgment on one of their own.

Do people actually think this judge would have ruled in favor of this person if he wasn’t a 15 year member of the Northborough Police?

I kind of doubt that this judge would have ruled this way if this defendant was just an average Joe out there on the streets. Police organizations have a lot of political pull and they know where various “skeletons” are buried in their respective jurisdictions.

]]> By: Lawrence Taylor http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-672 Lawrence Taylor Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:24:17 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-672 Keeyter, you have missed the point entirely....It may well be that the blood test should have been thrown out. But why were charges then dropped? When there is no breath/blood test, either because of suppression or a refusal to take the test, this does not normally result in charges being dropped. Charges are still filed and the defendant prosecuted for drunk driving based on the other evidence I mentioned. Keeyter, you have missed the point entirely….It may well be that the blood test should have been thrown out. But why were charges then dropped? When there is no breath/blood test, either because of suppression or a refusal to take the test, this does not normally result in charges being dropped. Charges are still filed and the defendant prosecuted for drunk driving based on the other evidence I mentioned.

]]> By: SoberDissident http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-671 SoberDissident Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:41:27 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-671 Keetyer- The point isn't that there was a forced blood draw, it's that the case was simply thrown out. The system allows for prosecution of the DUI offense with, or without breath or blood evidence. The question here is, why wasn't the cop charged with a DUI anyway on the basis of implied consent laws? If the courts view a refusal to be tested as a violation of implied consent, and thus an admission of guilt, then why was this case thrown out? Keetyer- The point isn’t that there was a forced blood draw, it’s that the case was simply thrown out. The system allows for prosecution of the DUI offense with, or without breath or blood evidence. The question here is, why wasn’t the cop charged with a DUI anyway on the basis of implied consent laws? If the courts view a refusal to be tested as a violation of implied consent, and thus an admission of guilt, then why was this case thrown out?

]]> By: Keeyter http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-670 Keeyter Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:40:20 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-670 This is absurd, in one of your previously articles you go on about the constitutionality of forced blood draws and now when the very thing you fight for benefits a Police Officer, it must be a conspiracy. How many lawyers have been in hallway trials and benefited. This is hipocracy, I can not accept that you fight for one thing but don't accept its application to the Police. Shame on you. This is absurd, in one of your previously articles you go on about the constitutionality of forced blood draws and now when the very thing you fight for benefits a Police Officer, it must be a conspiracy. How many lawyers have been in hallway trials and benefited. This is hipocracy, I can not accept that you fight for one thing but don’t accept its application to the Police. Shame on you.

]]> By: donleedon http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/comment-page-1/#comment-668 donleedon Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:49:32 +0000 http://www.duiblog.com/2008/02/21/the-thin-blue-line-exception/#comment-668 This is absolutely disgusting! It's a real wonder they even were cited as this happens all the time here in AR, but they are let go with out a citation (so no one ever sees the news story). I also know of a few people that befriended officers that are let go as well. When I was waiting to do my breathalyser, there were cops talking about how they hoped they didn't get caught later that night when they were going out drinking after the Superbowl and the one of the other cops said "You will be fine, just take your badge". In front of a suspect of the same "crime" they had just picked up! I believe that drunk driving should be stopped, but I also believe that BAC levels are too low and police are having to focus on social drinkers as well as police should be held to the same standard as every one else. This is absolutely disgusting! It’s a real wonder they even were cited as this happens all the time here in AR, but they are let go with out a citation (so no one ever sees the news story). I also know of a few people that befriended officers that are let go as well. When I was waiting to do my breathalyser, there were cops talking about how they hoped they didn’t get caught later that night when they were going out drinking after the Superbowl and the one of the other cops said “You will be fine, just take your badge”. In front of a suspect of the same “crime” they had just picked up! I believe that drunk driving should be stopped, but I also believe that BAC levels are too low and police are having to focus on social drinkers as well as police should be held to the same standard as every one else.

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