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		<title>By: Lawrence Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;ToxLab Guy:
I&#039;m not&#160;sure what you mean by an &quot;atypical circumstance&quot;.&#160; I agree that a high majority of tests will reflect duplicate test results&#160;within the&#160;+ / - .02%&#160;range.&#160; Of course, my point is not that law enforcement is not getting results within this range, but rather that this range is entirely too broad:&#160; a permissible second-test variation of 40% is no indication of acceptable scientific accuracy -- nor of legal proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
As to my &quot;improperly referring&quot; to a 40% range of error, I use this illustrative figure&#160;because the second test is designed as an accuracy check on the first.&#160; The question is what the permissible range is for that second test for there to be legal &quot;accuracy&quot;.&#160; If the first test is .10%, the permissible range is .08%-.12%, which represents a .04% range.&#160; This means that the accuracy check on a .10% reading is 20% in either direction, or a total allowable range of 40%
Of course, the 40% depends upon the numerical value of the first test; the numerical range varies with the vlaue of the initial test.&#160; I could, for example, have chosen .08% as an example, in which case the range of error would be 50%.&#160; I chose .10% as an example because (1) mathematically it is easier to illustrate the point, and (2) in my&#160;involvement with thousands of DUI&#160;cases over 30 years, it has been my experience that the&#160;majority of DUI test results fall within the .08% to .12% range.
It may well be that we are engaged in semantics.&#160; In any event, I&#160;appreciate your well-reasoned comments and continuing contributions to this blog.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a></a>ToxLab Guy:<br />
I&#8217;m not&nbsp;sure what you mean by an &#8220;atypical circumstance&#8221;.&nbsp; I agree that a high majority of tests will reflect duplicate test results&nbsp;within the&nbsp;+ / &#8211; .02%&nbsp;range.&nbsp; Of course, my point is not that law enforcement is not getting results within this range, but rather that this range is entirely too broad:&nbsp; a permissible second-test variation of 40% is no indication of acceptable scientific accuracy &#8212; nor of legal proof beyond a reasonable doubt.<br />
As to my &#8220;improperly referring&#8221; to a 40% range of error, I use this illustrative figure&nbsp;because the second test is designed as an accuracy check on the first.&nbsp; The question is what the permissible range is for that second test for there to be legal &#8220;accuracy&#8221;.&nbsp; If the first test is .10%, the permissible range is .08%-.12%, which represents a .04% range.&nbsp; This means that the accuracy check on a .10% reading is 20% in either direction, or a total allowable range of 40%<br />
Of course, the 40% depends upon the numerical value of the first test; the numerical range varies with the vlaue of the initial test.&nbsp; I could, for example, have chosen .08% as an example, in which case the range of error would be 50%.&nbsp; I chose .10% as an example because (1) mathematically it is easier to illustrate the point, and (2) in my&nbsp;involvement with thousands of DUI&nbsp;cases over 30 years, it has been my experience that the&nbsp;majority of DUI test results fall within the .08% to .12% range.<br />
It may well be that we are engaged in semantics.&nbsp; In any event, I&nbsp;appreciate your well-reasoned comments and continuing contributions to this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas W. Shaffer, Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas W. Shaffer, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Dear Mr. Taylor:
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I practice in Pennsylvania and the district attorneys rely on Commonwealth v. Rick,&#160;366 A.2d 302 (1976) to circumvent the hearsay rule. In the above-referenced&#160;DUI case, a lab report was admitted over a hearsay objection because the&#160;police testified that he had spoken to the chemist who related he would be on vacation during the preliminary hearing but would be available to testify at trial.
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While I&#039;m aware that this has been standing law for a very long time, the problem I see again and again is that the police do not contact the crime lab to verify that they will be available to testify at trial, but testify that the chemist&#160;will be available to testify when in fact they have not&#160;contacted anyone from the crime lab.
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While I have argued to many magistrate&#039;s without success that Rick does not support the facts described above, is there a case to support my position. i.e. do police need to&#160;obtain veritication each time or can they just rely on the assumption that someone will appear to testify as a chemist?
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If you would be so kind, I have another question. If someone is validly parked in a restaurant parking lot and a police officer allegedly made arrests there within the past 2 years, is there a Pennsylvania or U.S. Supreme Court case that shows that when a fully uniformed police officer, driving a marked police car, shines his spotlight onto defendant&#039;s said car (without blocking the defendant&#039;s car from leaving), that the&#160;police officer made a show of force that necessaitates proof of reasonable suspicion for the stop to be valid?&#160;
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I am aware that the other arrests&#160;must be close in time to make this parking area suspect, but I cannot find a case that only has the facts stated above. There are many other cases&#160;related but they all seem to have additional facts that&#160;change the situation my client faces.
&#160;
Thanking you in advance for your help. I love to read your website.
&#160;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a></a>Dear Mr. Taylor:<br />
&nbsp;<br />
I practice in Pennsylvania and the district attorneys rely on Commonwealth v. Rick,&nbsp;366 A.2d 302 (1976) to circumvent the hearsay rule. In the above-referenced&nbsp;DUI case, a lab report was admitted over a hearsay objection because the&nbsp;police testified that he had spoken to the chemist who related he would be on vacation during the preliminary hearing but would be available to testify at trial.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
While I&#8217;m aware that this has been standing law for a very long time, the problem I see again and again is that the police do not contact the crime lab to verify that they will be available to testify at trial, but testify that the chemist&nbsp;will be available to testify when in fact they have not&nbsp;contacted anyone from the crime lab.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
While I have argued to many magistrate&#8217;s without success that Rick does not support the facts described above, is there a case to support my position. i.e. do police need to&nbsp;obtain veritication each time or can they just rely on the assumption that someone will appear to testify as a chemist?<br />
&nbsp;<br />
If you would be so kind, I have another question. If someone is validly parked in a restaurant parking lot and a police officer allegedly made arrests there within the past 2 years, is there a Pennsylvania or U.S. Supreme Court case that shows that when a fully uniformed police officer, driving a marked police car, shines his spotlight onto defendant&#8217;s said car (without blocking the defendant&#8217;s car from leaving), that the&nbsp;police officer made a show of force that necessaitates proof of reasonable suspicion for the stop to be valid?&nbsp;<br />
&nbsp;<br />
I am aware that the other arrests&nbsp;must be close in time to make this parking area suspect, but I cannot find a case that only has the facts stated above. There are many other cases&nbsp;related but they all seem to have additional facts that&nbsp;change the situation my client faces.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
Thanking you in advance for your help. I love to read your website.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
<a href="mailto:tommyshaffer@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:tommyshaffer@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow">tommyshaffer@hotmail.com</a><br />
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		<title>By: Tox Lab Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tox Lab Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;However, that is an atypical circumstance, and those error ranges are designed to flag the wayward instrument. If you were to look at a large population of replicate results, a very high majority of those would be well within the 0.02 g/dL range. I would be interested in seeing that data, but I doubt it would serve your purpose much.
In addition, your example improperly refers to a 40% range of error in the second test.&#160;&#160;A more accurate depiction would be &#177; 0.02 g/dL error, and the difference is important. In your example, the replicate readings can be 0.10 g/dL and any one of the following: 0.08 g/dL (20% less), 0.09 g/dL (10% less), 0.10 g/dL (no difference), 0.11 g/dL (10% more), and 0.12 g/dL (20% more). Those numbers are dependent upon the fact that you chose 0.10 g/dL as your benchmark. A higher (or lower) BAC will change those percentages, because the &#177; 0.02 g/dL requirement is fixed, regardless of the BAC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a></a>However, that is an atypical circumstance, and those error ranges are designed to flag the wayward instrument. If you were to look at a large population of replicate results, a very high majority of those would be well within the 0.02 g/dL range. I would be interested in seeing that data, but I doubt it would serve your purpose much.<br />
In addition, your example improperly refers to a 40% range of error in the second test.&nbsp;&nbsp;A more accurate depiction would be &#177; 0.02 g/dL error, and the difference is important. In your example, the replicate readings can be 0.10 g/dL and any one of the following: 0.08 g/dL (20% less), 0.09 g/dL (10% less), 0.10 g/dL (no difference), 0.11 g/dL (10% more), and 0.12 g/dL (20% more). Those numbers are dependent upon the fact that you chose 0.10 g/dL as your benchmark. A higher (or lower) BAC will change those percentages, because the &#177; 0.02 g/dL requirement is fixed, regardless of the BAC.</p>
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